tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post8023020839552022917..comments2024-03-08T03:18:48.591-05:00Comments on Lotus Reads: The Film Club: A True Story of a Father and Son David GilmourLotus Readshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-77636063214430259492007-10-11T20:21:00.000-04:002007-10-11T20:21:00.000-04:00Hmmm, tough one. Since I have a kindergartner I d...Hmmm, tough one. Since I have a kindergartner I don't know how to react to this - one thought would be changing schools, another to consider home-schooling, or a vocational program. I guess I can see why the father did what he did...but I could never be so casual about education.<BR/><BR/>I've requested a Portabello books catalog -thanks for the links.Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07208766776468157501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-46950389229651513582007-10-11T07:23:00.000-04:002007-10-11T07:23:00.000-04:00I so agree with you Melissa! I, too, think school...I so agree with you Melissa! I, too, think school should impart to our kids more practical information...money, nutrition, negotiating skills and all the other subjects you named. I mean have you used calculus or all that you learned in organic chemistry even once since you left school for real life? I haven't!Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-43086249605451569472007-10-10T06:34:00.000-04:002007-10-10T06:34:00.000-04:00i can't help but wonder if the schools taught more...i can't help but wonder if the schools taught more "real life" classes instead of high-pressure academic subjects (many of which these low-motivation kids will never use in real life) if the dropout rate would be lower. you know, classes like parenting, fix-it, mortgages, marital conflict resolution... heck, i don't know! but i can see how some kids' eyes would glaze over at the prospect of a modern education.<BR/><BR/>i think instead of watching movies i would have homeschooled to whatever extent i could. but creatively! not dry facts.hellomelissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11109229454400994627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-38633816960651115102007-10-10T06:29:00.000-04:002007-10-10T06:29:00.000-04:00@Dark Orpheus ~ Yes, he did go back to school afte...@Dark Orpheus ~ Yes, he did go back to school after 3 long years! :)<BR/><BR/>@dewey ~ Interesting concept, right? I would be more than willing to do homework along with my kid, but for parents that work long hours, it would be a tough job indeed.<BR/><BR/>@Srijith ~ Hope you enjoy it when you find it!Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-62495873693642248882007-10-10T06:22:00.000-04:002007-10-10T06:22:00.000-04:00@Alice ~ Hello! I haven't watched the trailer yet,...@Alice ~ Hello! I haven't watched the trailer yet, but I am sure it's been done beautifully. I can hardly wait for the movie, it's been a long time in the making!<BR/><BR/>@ml ~ Hi! Yes, Afghanistan being made up of tribes, honor and pride are very important to them and the producers of the film were warned that the rape scenes might cause fighting to break out between rival tribes, hence the precaution.<BR/><BR/>@J ~ Hi! You are right, it is unfortunate that the kids and their families have to be displaced but with the chaos that is Afghanistan today, perhaps they won't mind going to a more stable country, all expenses paid?<BR/><BR/>Thank you for sharing your brother's experiences at school, I'm glad he has gone on to be a successful person. I was reading the other day that more boys drop out of high school than girls so could it be that our school system needs to be revamped to make school more interesting for boys? And, if, as scientists tell us, girls and boys are wired differently, should we go back to having single gender schools? I don't know. Just some issues we should be thinking about perhaps.Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-20500178029052724732007-10-10T04:33:00.000-04:002007-10-10T04:33:00.000-04:00Hmm.. that`s pretty interesting.. Will keep an eye...Hmm.. that`s pretty interesting.. Will keep an eye out for it..!srijithunnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04897386632437180172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-62115923709139405062007-10-09T20:13:00.000-04:002007-10-09T20:13:00.000-04:00I read the article about the teacher assigning hom...I read the article about the teacher assigning homework to parents. It's an interesting idea but it could only work in certain communities.Deweyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00395712971920800717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-70994399876021593912007-10-09T20:00:00.000-04:002007-10-09T20:00:00.000-04:00Oh my -- you got me curious. Did the son ever deci...Oh my -- you got me curious. Did the son ever decide to go back to school? Or is this a spoiler? :)darkorpheushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02565452271408221461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-61921157334172705352007-10-09T14:23:00.000-04:002007-10-09T14:23:00.000-04:00I had read about the families of the children in K...I had read about the families of the children in Kiterunner being afraid for their safety. How sad to have to be displaced, perhaps permanently, from a home you love, because of a film. I also read that the boy didn't know of the scene beforehand, and didn't want to do it. I don't know if that's true or not. Regardless, it was a powerful book, and the rape is central to the plot, so they couldn't very well leave it out.<BR/><BR/>Gilmour's experiment sounds like a wise one to me. Not that I condone letting your kids out of school, but he knew already that his son wasn't going to make it. Taking that time to truly connect and hold onto his relationship was a brave and difficult thing to manage, I suspect.<BR/><BR/>My brother hated school, and left early. He tried college, but didn't like that much better. He's a smart man, and has a good job in the tech sector, and I think if he had tried to stay in school, he would have turned into a delinquent. <BR/><BR/>I loved school, and have a masters degree and a BA, so it's not just the environment, it's the child. I hope that my child continues to love school, and I'm not faced with a situation like Gilmour was.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00653383372182667361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-49866790950394388032007-10-09T12:49:00.000-04:002007-10-09T12:49:00.000-04:00I had no idea that there was a threat to the young...I had no idea that there was a threat to the youngsters of the Kite Runner! Thanks for telling us about the new release date!<BR/><BR/>Funny, but I was watching a news segment the other day and they were talking about the huge drop out rate with high school students. School administrators blamed it on the high paying jobs and the lure of money. <BR/><BR/>I do agree with you, when teenagers go for the money instead of education, there is no growth.MLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15818786098417686889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-83505752502110966282007-10-09T12:22:00.000-04:002007-10-09T12:22:00.000-04:00I (accidentally) watched the trailer of The Kite R...I (accidentally) watched the trailer of <I>The Kite Runner</I> in our motel room in Blue Mountains, Australia. I knew instantly it was <I>The Kite Runner</I>. I have enjoyed the book and I'm sure I will enjoy the movie too. :)Alicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623394887320093229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-44637331876894025122007-10-09T09:19:00.000-04:002007-10-09T09:19:00.000-04:00@A Reader ~ Yes, the truth does make for better fi...@A Reader ~ Yes, the truth does make for better fiction sometimes! I guess Gilmour was convinced that his son was going to leave school anyway (here in Ontario you can legally leave school at 16years although there is now talk about it being pushed up to 18 which I thoroughly agree with ofcourse) so David probably figured that he'd get Jesse to leave school on his (Gilmour's) terms rather than Jesse's while he still could, ya know? A very tough decision for a parent to make, so I like that he took a stand even if it's not the same decision I would have made for my child.<BR/><BR/>@Jyo ~ Welcome back! How was your holiday? You are right ofcourse,many successful businessmen have not finished high school, but there are other factors that went into making them what they are....the drive to succeed, ambition, street smartness, good instinct, the right opportunity and a big helping of luck. Not everyone possesses these characteristics in large measure unfortunately. Really glad to see you back!<BR/><BR/><BR/>@Sanjay ~ So glad you did. Thank you for letting me know!Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-48801823892378278252007-10-09T06:39:00.000-04:002007-10-09T06:39:00.000-04:00@Booklogged ~ Thank you so much for sharing your ...@Booklogged ~ Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. I know you teach kids in high school so I value that very much. I realize it must be a tough job for a teacher to stimulate a child used to being spoon fed...parents and teachers have to work together to change the school environment and the attitude of the child. I wonder what you thought of the 9th grade school teacher who gave parents homework along with the kids? Is that a helpful thing to do in your opinion?<BR/><BR/>@Bellezza ~ THank you and how absolutely lovely to see you here! Yes, we have kids the same age so I know this post will resonate with you. Teenage years are tough ones as well we know. Gilmour, by forming this film "club" wisely used this opportunity to draw his son closer to him (invaluable when you consider that this is the age when most boys, girls too, are beginning to shut their parents out of their lives). I don't blame your son for not liking homework. What if teachers just did away with homework, is that so drastic a move?Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-72938031808426746982007-10-09T06:27:00.000-04:002007-10-09T06:27:00.000-04:00Hi, Id!you said:Would David's strategy have worked...Hi, Id!<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/><BR/><I>Would David's strategy have worked for another child...I wouldn't hold my breath. But I' still want to read the novel if only to escape and seek solace and see hope for our education system.</I><BR/><BR/>Good point you make there...this book really does make one think about the educational system...what's lacking and how do we fix it? Kids shouldn't be bored at school. They spend the better part of their day there, it should be a fun stimulating environment. Sadly, for many kids, it's anything but. <BR/><BR/>@Kate ~ Glad I could do that. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on it once you read it.<BR/><BR/>@Breeni ~ Yes, you could call this an experiment in homeschooling but a more radical one than what we're used to seeing! Kudos to you for homeschooling your kids, how old are they?Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-80467583701993515512007-10-09T04:29:00.000-04:002007-10-09T04:29:00.000-04:00Lotus, Thank you for the link to the Gilmour inter...Lotus, Thank you for the link to the Gilmour interview. I enjoyed watching him and Jesse talk about their thoughts and experiences.karmichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973922761187532706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-24053484778827354652007-10-09T02:51:00.000-04:002007-10-09T02:51:00.000-04:00That's a scary idea!! Ofcourse one can always say ...That's a scary idea!! Ofcourse one can always say that some of the most successful businessmen today never completed their schooling! :)Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03338468510575659800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-30676264380555623062007-10-08T23:17:00.000-04:002007-10-08T23:17:00.000-04:00Hi Lotus,What an interesting experiment by David G...Hi Lotus,<BR/><BR/>What an interesting experiment by David Gilmour. It sounds too much like fiction! Any other parent might have changed the school, but allowing his son to drop out, just like that? Gilmour must have had a specific plan when he did that, or didn't he? I am really curious to find out how it ended.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for a lovely post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-77496359420473778742007-10-08T21:18:00.000-04:002007-10-08T21:18:00.000-04:00I think the most poignant point (?!) in what you'v...I think the most poignant point (?!) in what you've written is when the father said he didn't want to lose his son to school AND their relationship. I think it takes a very brave father to do such a thing, and I'm not sure it would work for everyone, but imagine how impowered the son must feel; marvelous!<BR/><BR/>What a tragedy that schools are losing their children/teenagers like this. My son has 100% on tests he takes, but refuses to do the homework. Consequently, we are looking at a terribly grade point average. Deep down inside I say to myself, "But, if he can excel at proving he knows the material, why the F?" Oh, well, in America's school system one must jump through the hoops, even if one can jump over the mountains.<BR/><BR/>What an interesting post you wrote.Bellezza https://www.blogger.com/profile/18073864187188953633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-19401777418919793802007-10-08T20:09:00.000-04:002007-10-08T20:09:00.000-04:00I like the decorating change. Bookshelves always ...I like the decorating change. Bookshelves always rank high with me. I have to say that teachers have a tough job engaging a generation of kids who are used to vegging in front of the tv which requires little thought. There are some great teachers who can do that, but not enough.Bookloggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00651016653247142255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-72430183708254675142007-10-08T19:56:00.000-04:002007-10-08T19:56:00.000-04:00To a home schooling mom, The Film Club sounds grea...To a home schooling mom, The Film Club sounds great! I will definitely look for it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09832026911084781492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-17768086384148907102007-10-08T19:03:00.000-04:002007-10-08T19:03:00.000-04:00I've been curious about The Film Club and now you'...I've been curious about <I>The Film Club</I> and now you've thoroughly convinced me to give it a go!Kate S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16897618197257393697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-26368553075342102772007-10-08T14:28:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:28:00.000-04:00Thanks for the heads up on this intriguing read. I...Thanks for the heads up on this intriguing read. I will most definitely want to read it. Like you, I too see this novel strategy of David's as a gamble that paid off, fortunately! Kids today are great negotiators and there is no fooling them. As you point out, the lure of big money minus a high school diploma is one major cause for the dwindling of interest in school, but so what; ours is a capitalist society after all. The businesses are preying on our future citizens of tomorrow and we can only be bystanders to this crime.<BR/>Would David's strategy have worked for another child...I wouldn't hold my breath. But I' still want to read the novel if only to escape and seek solace and see hope for our education system.Id it ishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10933156607975500727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-21068488505191453782007-10-08T11:45:00.000-04:002007-10-08T11:45:00.000-04:00Sanjay, you are so welcome! I have just updated my...Sanjay, you are so welcome! I have just updated my post with a link to an interview David and his son gave Thomas Allen. It's on the publisher's site and is quite enlightening.Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-86101013352165970952007-10-08T11:24:00.000-04:002007-10-08T11:24:00.000-04:00Lotus, Thank you so much for your comment. My week...Lotus, Thank you so much for your comment. My week was ok too thanks!<BR/><BR/>I am sure M will come around to the transformation. :) <BR/><BR/>It is something isn't it that some kids are not adequately stimulated about going to school! The fear of god and a lot more was put in to us if we did not go to school, we would not succeed in life ever was the message and I for one took it to heart. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for telling me about the movies Jesse and David watched. 150 is quite a lot and truly David Gilmour has a way with words as the passage you took pains to type out attests to. Thank you. :)karmichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973922761187532706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12738985.post-9287743482578894012007-10-08T11:11:00.000-04:002007-10-08T11:11:00.000-04:00Hi, sanjay!Aww, thanks! I had a good but busy wee...Hi, sanjay!<BR/><BR/>Aww, thanks! I had a good but busy week, hope yours was good too?<BR/><BR/>Glad you liked the transformation, not sure that M is going to appreciate it though! :)<BR/><BR/>I'm really not sure why so many kids drop out of high school in Ontario...I just think many of them are bored and not adequately stimulated. It's a shame really.<BR/><BR/>I love all your questions regarding Jesse, I didn't want to give too much away, suffice to say it did end well. I don't know if the films (which were picked by Gilmour and ran the gamut from Kubrick to Woody Allen; Clint Eastwood to obscure foreign film directors) really made the difference. I think it was being with his dad and the conversations they had about life that helped him to turn around. Gilmour at that point was divorced from Jesse's mother but they maintained an excellent friendship.<BR/><BR/>Any movie buff will absolutely love this book! Gilmour has such a way with words when it comes to describing a movie. Take this passage for instance where he describes Louis Malle's coming-of-age movie,"Murmur of the Heart"<BR/><BR/><I> The boy in "Murmur of the Heart" seems to carry that vulnerability in his body, the slightly rounded shoulders, the gangly arms, the sort of giraffe-like bumping and banging as he makes his way through the world. There is a feel of terrific nostalgia about this film as if the writer, Louis Malle, was writing about a time in his life when he was happy, very happy and didn't realize it until years later"</I><BR/><BR/>All in all I think they watched over a 150 movies in that three year time frame.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your comment,Sanjay, it was good hearing from you!Lotus Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081192215823615529noreply@blogger.com